Interview With Dennis Balthaser About Little Known Roswell Crash Facts
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As time goes by, it becomes almost impossible to clear up the Roswell crash entirely. Is there any indication to you that there might be more documents that might become available from the government at some future date that could help us with this? Dennis: Oh yeah that has to be, and maybe even photographs, because there have been rumors that there were military photographers at the site, the crash site. When I do a freedom of information request, let's say that I get the name of a new witness or person that I didn't have before. One of the first things that I want to do is find out his military record and see if he was in fact stationed here. There are several ways that I can do that. I have a copy of the 1947 Roswell Army Air Force Yearbook. It's like a high school yearbook with pictures of all the troops, pictures of squadrons, descriptions of squadrons with ranks and things like that. When I get a name, usually the first thing I will do is call them and ask them what they know about Roswell? They will say I wasn't there, I will say wait a minute I am looking at your picture in the yearbook and you rank such and such and that you were in squadrons such and such. Then they know that I have them, but most times they will say I am not going to talk about it. I promised my government and I promised the military that I wouldn't talk about it and I am not going to talk about it. I can't go much further than that. Now the other thing that I can do with the freedom of information you can go to the personal records of the military in St. Louis Missouri and get military records. Many times, not every time, when I write to them and ask for information about an individual and I make any reference to Roswell, I get a form letter back with a stamp on it that says that those records may have been destroyed in a fire at the center in 1973. I got tired of that so I wrote back to the center the last time I got one and said, don't tell me that, you said may have, that meant you didn't look. Yes they were destroyed or no they weren't destroyed, give me an accurate answer. Then I go six months, a year, two years waiting and then I communicate with them and usually they finally come back and say there are no records. Ken: Well it's funny because my records were destroyed in that fire. Dennis:
They were? Ken: Yes they were. Dennis: It's a good organization they have a lot of good information on the military people, what it is unfortunate having been in the military myself and you probably know too, there is more than one copy of a record. Ken: Oh yeah, of course there is. Dennis: So those records are somewhere. Ken I am starting to look at the possibility that its not the Air Force that is hiding this. It could very well be the Navy. Ken: Yes. Yes it could be the Navy, as a matter of fact, I am getting off the topic here but, are you familiar with the secret meetings that were supposedly held about UFOs at the UN that lasted for three days? Dennis: Yes. Ken: Well the leak came from Navy admirals. Dennis: This is something that just surfaced a few months ago and I don't know how to really go about it, it looks to me that that would be the ideal location for them to cover this up, because everybody is looking at the Air Force and the Army and if the Navy had it we would not even think about that. Ken: It could very well be and from what I understand there are a lot of people high up in the Navy that are sympathetic to us. Dennis: Yeah. Yeah and the Navy is heavily involved with White Sands Missile Range and Area 51, in the middle of our deserts. That raises questions. Ken: It makes you wonder doesn't it? Many reports have come out from the military over the years, on what really happened at Roswell in 1947 and each report contained enough errors to allow it to be completely ignored. Even Popular Mechanics, the magazine that has been around for years, criticized the last government report because it was based on the fact that dummies were dropped at Roswell and that some people mistook these dummies for aliens, when in fact these types of dummies were not used until a few years later and had large hooks in their heads. Does it surprise you that even after all this time, the government is still hiding facts about the crash? Dennis: No. I think it goes back to what I said earlier about my theory that if they don't know what they have, they certainly can't admit to it, until we get the military advantage out of it, they are not going to admit it. They're going to want that military advantage so nobody else has it. That would be big for the military. If they have vehicles that could travel at the speed that these things move and make turns like these things make, right left turns and reverse and all that. I want to go back to what you were talking about before with Popular Mechanics. We have had four excuses for Roswell. July 8, 1947 Walter Haut's release said we have a flying saucer in our possession. That is the only time in the history of the United States that the media has printed anything like that. The next day Gen. Ramey said no, it was nothing but a weather balloon. That got my attention. He said these guys mistakenly took a UFO for a weather balloon. This is the best we had, these are the guys that dropped the atomic bomb on Japan to end the second world war and he was saying that they were too dumb to know the difference between a flying saucer and a weather balloon. The story died about three days after it happened and that was it. Young people don't realize that back in 1947 people trusted and respected the government, something that we do not have today. Ken: Oh absolutely. Dennis:
That respect came by earning it through the second world war and by the people elected to represent us. So the story died three days after it happened and in 1997, two weeks before the 50th anniversary, the Air Force came out with a two and a half-inch book saying that it wasn't a flying saucer, nor was it a weather balloon, it was a Mogul balloon. That story most people believe. Then the Air Force came out with its last report called ”Case Closed”, and they said that they had never addressed the bodies that the witnesses had said that they had talked about. They said that they were anthropomorphic crash test dummies. And like you said, those dummies were not used until 1953, six years after the incident. The Mogul balloons were high-altitude balloons that were used to see if the Russians were doing any nuclear testing. Russia didn't have any nuclear testing until 1949, which was two years after the Roswell incident. The Air Force has shot themselves in the foot every time they have tried to cover it up. Ken: Well it is surprising that they just don't leave well enough alone, I have to tell you the truth. They would have been better off not coming out with a report about the dummies. Dennis: Yeah, oh yeah. I have talked to military people, Air Force people, and they were embarrassed that the Air Force came out with that report because everyone knows that the dummies were not used until 1953. You have a six-year gap there. They talk about memory loss, that all the witnesses have memory loss and those are the type of excuses they use for the dummies. Ken: I think that these things can always be traced back, not to military people, but to politicians somewhere along the line Dennis: Possibly yeah. I complain about the military and am after them all the time, but you know I have tremendous respect for the men on the ground and stuff like that. When I'm talking about not liking the military, I'm talking about the few, and I believe it is just a few, that are responsible for covering things up. Many people are surprised that the president of the United States is not aware of this. Our president of the United States is a temporary employee who can't be trusted, he is only there for eight years. He does not have the clearance for this type of thing. I am sure that he is advised that they do exist, but not much more. We have had every president since Truman try and uncover this UFO stuff and they have failed miserably. Most recently Bill Clinton was a big supporter of trying to get the truth. He wanted to know about the Kennedy assassination and about Roswell. He had talked to one of his aides, a guy named Hubbell and told him that when he became president he wanted him to check out and see what he could find out, Hubbell came back and said I can't find out a thing. George Bush Senior may have been the only president that was really aware of everything, because he was the head of the CIA before he became president. Truman advised Eisenhower when he became president. Reagan came very close. When he talked to the United Nations he made a comment that maybe we should all here on Earth get-together, before we have an invasion from out there and was told don't ever make a statement like that again. Ken: Yeah, but he did though. Dennis: He and Gorbachev had several private meetings where they talked about UFOs. Nearly every president has tried to do something about the UFO cover-up, but like I said I don't think they can be trusted because they are temporary employees.
Example Of Debris Field From UFO Crash Ken: If we look at Eisenhower and I have no way to know if this is true of course, supposedly Eisenhower met with an ET. I think you probably know that story. Dennis: Yep. Ken: Supposedly he said he was going to a dental appointment, but landed up at an Air Force Base for over 1 ½ hours, but who knows? Dennis: If in fact it did happen then he broke the constitutional law, because the president of the United States is not allowed to make any type of agreement with any foreign country or foreign dignitaries without the approval of Congress. I don't know if that story is true and I have heard it myself several times. He also supposedly met with them at Holloman Air Force Base. Air Force One came in and he got off the plane, or vise versa and they came over to him and got into Air Force One. They had a meeting and then both went their separate ways and that was the end of the story. Ken: Yes that is what I heard. Dennis:
No there are a few of us that still hang onto Roswell because we believe that there is still something there that we have not been told. For example I believe that there are still witnesses alive that may know something and perhaps we could get a deathbed confession. We are running out of time, these guys that are probably involved are in their 80s now if they are still alive, you are right Roswell has probably had more research done on it than any other UFO incident in the history of the country. To throw out all research because some is not any good is like I said a little while ago. There are over 2000 websites on Roswell and I can quit what I am doing, because some clown wants to be popular or has an ego thing or whatever and tries to be an authority on Roswell, when he doesn't know anything about Roswell. I used to try and go after my critics and debunkers in a diplomatic way and try to do it privately and found that didn't work. If you look at my editorials on my website which I've been writing every other month since 1999.... Ken: Well they are on my website too. We both laughed. Dennis: There are a lot of them in there were I climb all over these people. If I find out that they're putting out wrong information I am going to challenge them and I am going to do it publicly. Ken: I don't blame you. It must be very aggravating for you when you do meticulous research and somebody who has read a paragraph somewhere comes along and he is giving his opinion on the whole thing. Dennis: Yeah you have to look at everything and that is the problem. I get 100 to 150 e-mails everyday. I have to go through nearly all of them. I can look at the subject and see if it's worth looking at, if not I can delete it. Many times I read through stuff that is absolutely worthless, but you have to look at it in case there was something there, because the time factor is involved, the time since it happened. Some of us have stuck with this and we're going to continue to stick with it because we don't believe that we have been told the truth. Ken: Right I understand.|Are you familiar with Karl T. Pflock and Kent Jeffrey? Dennis: Oh yeah. Ken: It has been said that they were supporters of Roswell until the first report came out from the military, and then all of a sudden they said that there was no crash Dennis: Karl Pflock was a CIA agent and once you go black you never go back. I met him on several occasions and told him what I thought about him. Karl it is just one of those guys. There are several out there right now. There is one, no there are two that I know offhand that are debunkers and the debunkers usually never come up with anything new. They just ridicule us who are serious, they try and ridicule but don't come up with anything new. We need the debunkers and the critics to keep us all honest but I don't put a lot of weight in them. Ken: What you think about Donald Schmitt? Supposedly when he co-authored his Roswell book, he said that he had several degrees etc. And then he was exposed as not having told the truth about his academic background, have you heard that? Dennis: Yeah. I worked with Don for several years and Don has done some really good research over the years, but he did hurt himself by talking about his former employment and about his education. As far as I know he still does good research, but I haven't worked with Don Schmidt since 1998 or 1999. I am no longer affiliated with the UFO Museum right here in Roswell. Because of that he is a big affiliate of this and because of that he doesn't communicate with me and I haven't had any contact with him for all those years. There are very few researchers that I work with. In fact I work with Stanton Friedman, who is the original civilian researcher in Roswell, a nuclear physicist. I worked with Frank Warren who is an excellent online researcher. Scott Ramsey from North Carolina, who is working on the Aztec New Mexico crash that happened in 1948, a 99 foot crash with 13 bodies. Those are three that I work closely with. David Rudak did a lot of the research on the Ramey memo that we mentioned earlier. He's another good researcher that I do work with. I am very limited with who I work with and very choosy with who I work with.
Weather Balloon Ken: There has been a lot of talk about a nurse that was the girlfriend of Glenn Dennis the local undertaker. She supposedly took part in the alien autopsies and Dennis cited her as proof that alien bodies had been recovered and that the army purchased tiny coffins from him. The Army said that no such nurse ever existed. Are they telling the truth, or are they just trying to make Dennis look like a liar? Dennis: Well I am one of the few people that has questions about Glenn Dennis. I knew Glenn very well, again he and Walter were both cofounders of the museum, so I saw Glenn and Walter every day and had conversations with them every day. Glenn's story has not changed over the years, but I am not sure that the story is entirely accurate. There never has been a nurse found, there never has been a redheaded captain found and basically any of the people that he referred to have never been found. I think that Glenn may have been involved, perhaps secondhand. I do think that he knew a nurse at the base, because there was a contract with the Ballard funeral home and the government for ambulance service and military funerals. He had access to the base and to the people out there. He uses the excuse that she became a nun and that he is trying to protect her and that is one reason why he has never gone public about it. I have a reason to believe that there are other things connected to that relationship with the nurse. I just have questions about Glenn. I think that he was involved, but I just don't know to what degree. Ken: Have you ever heard of Project Serpo? Dennis: I have heard about it Ken, I'm not real familiar with it. Ken: It basically has to do with an anonymous posting that appeared on the Internet that stated that there had been two crash sites and that one alien had lived for five years and because he lived for five years we were able to communicate with his home planet and we established a program where we sent some of our people there and they sent some of the people from that planet here. Does that sound familiar to you? Dennis: Yeah. I have heard some of that and off the top of my head I would have to say that I don't put much credence in it. Ken: Yeah I really don't either. I just wanted to see what you had heard about it. Dennis: I am not overly familiar with it, but some of the things you just mentioned I have heard about. It's like our space program at NASA. Do you know what NASA stands for? Ken: Tell me. Dennis: Never A Straight Answer. Ken: That is a good one. Dennis: I met Edgar Mitchell the astronaut, the sixth man on the moon on a few occasions. I have tremendous respect for him. Talk about a brilliant guy. I had heard that he knew something about the Roswell incident, so I got a chance to talk to him one on one at a symposium outside. I said, what do you know about Roswell and he said I know that it happened, and that is all I can tell you. That was as far as he would go. Then I asked him what it was like to go to the moon and stand on it and look at the Earth? I asked him what his feelings were? He said Dennis we didn't have any time. I was so busy I didn't look until on the way home. I was so busy that we really didn't have any time to look around and do any sightseeing. He has become a big supporter of UFO research. Ken: Oh I know that, I wish I could get an interview with him. Dennis: Yeah, he is super super brilliant. It is surprising that he is from here. Ken: Really I didn't know that. Dennis: Yeah, his family had a ranch here and he moved to Artesia which is 30 miles south of here, went to high school there and is from this area. He knew a lot of the local people here and the local people were where he got some of his information from and from military associates. Ken: Did he indicate to you that he saw any aliens, or alien craft, when he was on the moon? Dennis: No. He didn't substantiate that at all. That's been said, I think was it Cooper or one of the other astronauts that mentioned that there was a bogey here, or that we have visitors or something and then one of them, when they went around to the back side of the Moon said there really is a Santa Claus? Ken: Yes, yes and another one said they are watching us. Dennis: I've heard a rumor that there may be a base on the back side of the Moon. I don't know because we never see that, so I don't know if that is true or not. Ken: Well according to the British hacker Gary, oh I forget his last name, but the one they want to extradite, he said that he discovered, in hidden NASA sites, that we have a space fleet. That it is in space and that it is hidden and he has discovered the list of officers their names and ranks, that pilot the ships. Are you aware of that? Dennis: No, I have no doubt that we have two space programs. I think that NASA is nothing but a front for the public like Blue Book was. Why would we still be using solid fuel propulsion systems? They are the most dangerous things on earth . I am convinced that we have more than one space program, I don't know what the other one involves, but I would almost bet that we have it. Ken: Oh I would too. Dennis: I have heard the story. I've also heard that when they brought the debris and the bodies to the hangar that they had armed guards surrounding the hangar and that no one was permitted inside. The lieutenant governor of New Mexico at the time, had come down and I can't find anything in the newspapers to say that he was here, but the reports are that he had seen the inside of the hangar, called a friend of his and said come get me and meet me at the water tower, which is across the street from the hangar. When he got there to pick him up, they went back to his house and he said that they downed half a bottle of Jack Daniels before he went back to Santa Fe, the capital. He said I don't ever want to see again what he just saw.
Famous Photo Of Marcel Holding Debris Ken: Do you think it was a coincidence that Robert Goddard, the father of American rocketry did many of his rocket experiments at Roswell prior to the famous crash, or the fact that thousands of German prisoners were kept at Roswell during World War II, or even the fact that the atomic bomb was developed near there and it was also next to the only nuclear capable bombers in the world at the time? Dennis: One out of three Ken, the last one. I don't think that Goddard had anything to do with it and I don't think that the German prisoners had anything to do with it. One of my theories is that if they were sitting out there looking at us and saw this mushroom cloud come out of White Sands at the Trinity site, they may have wondered what were these clowns up to? That to me is a strong possibility that the atomic bomb test of 1945 would have drawn attention and could have been one of the reasons that they were in the area. Ken: Some people have reported that there were several UFO sightings at Roswell before the crash that ranged from at least June 25, 1947 to July 2, 1947 and maybe even further back. Supposedly there is a list of sightings in the book, "Roswell Incident" by Charles Berlitz and William L. Moore. To your knowledge, were there ever any UFO sightings at Roswell prior to the crash? Dennis: Yeah. There was a couple on Pennsylvania Avenue sitting on their back porch and they saw something go across the sky. That was three or four days before the crash. There was a report that two Catholic nuns, that were in St. Mary's Hospital, saw a fiery object go to the ground and assumed it was an airplane. There are reports in the newspaper prior to July of 1947, and of course Kenneth Arnold's sighting two weeks before, in the state of Washington, he saw those craft traveling at 3500 mph. If you go back and look through newspapers prior to 1947 you will find several instances of people's sightings. Ken: How about immediately after the crash? Dennis: Well to this day he really. There's nothing to indicate that any craft came back to recover anything that was left here that I am aware of. Sightings are a continuous thing and I think that 90% of what people see is explainable, either stars or planets or balloons or aircraft, something like that. I am not interested in that 90%. I am interested in that 10% that cannot be explained. There is something like 700 cases in the Blue Book, that still have not been explained. Roswell is not even in the blue book. Ken: Do you think that the UFO that crashed at Roswell was brought down by the use of powerful radar, as some seem to think? Dennis: I think that that is a possibility. They had microwave in use in at least three locations, some were remotely located some were transportable. Microwaves could have interfered with the guidance system or the propulsion system, or the fact that it was a thunderstorm, and electrical storm. Possibly it could have had an affect on them in their propulsion or guidance. Ken: Are there any other obscure facts that you can tell us about the Roswell crash? Dennis: No, not other than the fact that I just keep looking. I want to compliment you on the questions that you asked, you had some really good questions on the incident, you did some background research on the incident which most interviewers do not do and I appreciate that. We keep going after it and my website is http://truthseekeratroswell.com and my e-mail address is on there for anybody that is listening that is interested in asking any questions and I try to answer all questions from my e-mail, as many as I can and we just keep working at it. Ken: Well Dennis I want to thank you, that was a very interesting interview, thank you very much. |
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