Interview With Dennis Balthaser About Little Known Roswell Crash Facts
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The UFO crash at Roswell is quite common knowledge, but here I attempt to ask our guest questions about it that are not commonly asked in the hope of finding out more about the event and those involved. Ken: Our guest today is one of the world's leading experts on the Roswell UFO crash, Mr Dennis G. Balthaser. It is good to talk to you again Dennis, I hope that you have been well? Dennis: I am doing good but I am a little leery of the word expert. I don't know if we have any experts in the UFO field? Ken: Well I believe that you are the world's leading expert and I am not exaggerating. Dennis: In 1947 there was a craft of unknown origin that crashed about 65 miles northwest of the town of Roswell, New Mexico. It was found by a rancher named Mac Brazel who was the foreman on the Foster Ranch at that location. He was familiar with weather balloons, because he had recovered those in the past. There was a slight reward for them and the Air Force had a tag on them that said where to turn them in for the reward. He had heard an explosion, he said it was louder than thunder, the night before during a thunder storm. For your audience that is not familiar with the southwest United States, we can have severe thunder storms. So he heard this noise and the next day he went out with a neighbor kid, who was visiting with them and checked on the sheep and was looking to see what damage he suffered from the storm, when he came upon a debris field that was about three quarters of a mile long and several hundred yards wide. The sheep wouldn't go across, he had to take them around it to get them to water. He had no idea what it was he collected, but he took a little bit of it and dragged it up to the ranch. He did his chores over that weekend and talked to a neighbor and by neighbors I mean we are talking about 10 or 15 miles away. The only time they see each other on these ranches is when they are shearing sheep or working cattle. It isn't like a next-door neighbor. He suggested that the stuff was unusual and should be taken to Roswell, where the Army Air Force was located. So Mac brought a few pieces in and stopped at the Sheriff's office, Sheriff Wilcox. Wilcox had no idea what it was so he contacted the military base and they got a hold of Major Marcel, who was the top intelligence officer in the world at that time and part of the 509 bomb group which was also an elite group that was stationed at Roswell and they were the ones that had dropped the atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima during the second world war. The guys that were stationed here were not typical GIs, they were the best we had, Marcel being the best intelligence officer in the world at the time. Marcel and Capt. Cabot, an intelligence officer, went out to the ranch with the ranch foreman Mac and spent the night on the ranch. They got there late and in the morning, the next day, they collected some of the material and brought it back to town to the base. Marcel was asked to take the material to Fort Worth, Texas, to Gen. Ramey, who was the head of the 8th Air Force. When he got there general Ramey asked him to put the material that was wrapped in paper on his desk and then said let's go into the map room and you can show me where this happened. When Maj. Marcel came out of the map room, the material that he had put on the desk was no longer there and on the floor was a weather balloon. Marcel was told to pose for pictures which was taken by Ben Johnson. He said this is not the material that I brought in. The general pulled rank on him and said you pose for the pictures and I'll answer the questions, making Marcel pretty much the scapegoat for the Roswell incident.
Ken: That was probably the most famous UFO picture ever taken, the one with Major Marcel holding the debris. Dennis: There was six pictures taken by James Bond Johnson. The last one that was taken by someone else shows Newton, who was the meteorologist, identifying it as a weather balloon. Recently myself I have looked at those pictures again. I have copies. The pictures are kept at the University of Texas, Arlington library, under lock and key. I obtained a copy of those and if you look at the picture and if you look on the floor at the brown wrapping paper, to me the paper appears to be right off a roll. It doesn't have any wrinkles or creases which it would have had, had the material been wrapped up and brought from Roswell to Fort Worth. I think that is the key point in that picture. Another thing in the picture is that if you look behind Gen. Ramey and Col. LeBeau, who are in the picture, back along the wall by the radiator is an unopened package, which I believe probably is one of the packages that Marcel brought to Fort Worth and it was never opened there for the pictures. When you look at the pictures you can't just look at the pictures you have to study them and see what is there, those are a couple of the things that I discovered. Ken: Well since we are into this, I know that a note was shown in one of the picture. I know that people have tried to decrypt the note using the latest photographic techniques. Do you believe that they can actually read some of this note now? (I am talking about a note that was in the hand of General Ramey when he posed for a photo.) Dennis: I know for a fact that we can read a few words which say victims of the wreck. Weather balloons and Mogul balloons didn't have victims. There are seven, eight, nine lines of typed information and Gen. Ramey was holding that teletype unaware that it was facing the camera. When the picture was taken in 1947 nobody thought anything about it, but since then, like you said, with the equipment we have now, we can look at it, enlarge it, and enhance it and I think in time with better equipment we will even be able to read more. I've gone through there and found several words. The words victims of the wreck, the word victim, there are only six words in the English language that would fit there. Victim being one, violin, virgin and three or four others. Victims is really the only word that fits that particular statement, victims of the wreck. It's not violins of the wreck, it's not virgins of the wreck, so victims would have to be the correct word. Ken: Maybe it was virgins in the wreck? (Just joking) Dennis: (laughing) well that is possible I guess. Ken: Do you believe that there was a second crash site? Dennis: Stanton Friedman talks about the planes of San Augustin and I've heard rumors that the craft came down on the ranch where the foreman Mac Brazel was and then again became airborne and crashed at another location. I don't put much confidence in those. I've been to all of the sites and based on the use of research that I have done, I think that the Foster Ranch is the actual site where the debris was found. I think that the bodies may have been within a mile of there. Meaning that they may have been in a capsule, may have ejected, been thrown out. The ranch foreman never really talked about bodies at the crash site, he did take the neighbor out and show her where he had seen bodies. The only time he talked about bodies was with her. When the military got through interrogating him for five, six, seven days, he was headed back to the ranch and stopped at the radio station, where he had originally been interviewed and said that he was wrong and it wasn't what he said it was. The radio announcer said, are you talking about little green men? Mac Brazel spun around on his cowboy boots and said, they weren't green. That was the only comment he ever made about bodies. Ken: There is a story that has been going around for years that says that Mac Brazel had changed his original story and then people saw him driving in a new truck. Have you ever heard that one? Dennis: He did change his story, there is no doubt about it, because he was interrogated for five or six days and anybody that is familiar with the military style of interrogation knows that you can change a story after they have been at you for five or six days of interrogation. He also said that he would never again talk about it, which he didn't. As for the truck I don't believe that has any connection, because I think that the Foster people that had owned the ranch ordered a new truck and he simply picked it up and the timing was there for it to happen about the same time. Ken: Lt. Walter Haut was the public relations officer for the 509th Bomber Group stationed at the Roswell Air Force Base. They investigated the Roswell UFO crash. You interviewed him on his deathbed and felt that he was not in the proper mental state to sign an affidavit as to what he knew about the crash. Please tell us a little more about that. Dennis: I worked with Walter for two and half years when I was affiliated with the museum from 1996 the 1998. I really liked him. His hero was Col. Blanchard, the head of the 509 bomb wing, who went on to become an assistant joint chief of staff at the Pentagon. Walter unfortunately gave three different affidavits in his life. One was with another director of the museum years ago, in which he said nothing other than he had written the press release under orders from Col. Blanchard. Wendy Connors an historical ufologist and I happened to be filming with a French documentary crew at the Museum, back in 1997 or 1998, some time and while they were interviewing Walter we heard him mention that some time he saw bodies. Wendy and I went outside and said did you hear what I heard? We felt that was extremely important and we had to get another interview with Walter before he passed away, because he had never done this before, he never mentioned this before. She and I did a three-hour taping of Walter Haut and Wendy pressured him quite a bit and he did admit that he had seen a body in the hangar from about 25 feet away. He described it as childlike, partially covered with a tarp, a canvas, laying on the floor of the hangar. And then just prior to his death he made another affidavit with Don Schmidt, another researcher and again talked about this, but they didn't release it until after he passed away. I really don't know what to believe with Walter, I think that he was involved, I have no doubt about that, because as the public relations officer and the type of relationship he had with Col. Blanchard, who was the base commander, he would have been in on any meetings that they had? I think that he was privy to information that he didn't talk about, to protect Col. Blanchard probably. He got out of the military shortly after the incident happened and stayed in Roswell. He was originally from Chicago and made his home here and was one of the first to be contacted when Col. Blanchard died. That relationship has been mystifying to me for some time. I think Walter was involved and he finally told the truth, but there is a problem since he signed three affidavits. Ken: And was there a problem do you believe with his mental state too at the end? Well when we interviewed him he couldn't remember a lot of things. He couldn't remember where he took basic training, he couldn't remember the names of people, he couldn't remember this or that. Then when he did this affidavit later, before he passed away, the detail was unbelievable. That threw up some red flags for me to.
Air Force Drop Dummy Ken: Yeah, like somebody was talking to him, right? Dennis:
Yeah. Ken: Yeah I understand. Dennis:
Well I have heard that. The date that most researchers settle on is July 4. late on the night of July 4, 11:30 at night. There was a severe thunderstorm on the ranch and the press release went out July 8, so it had to happen prior to July 8. Brazel didn't come to town for a day or two prior to the press release. The press release came out the same day that Major Marcel went to Fort Worth with the material and that press release was put out by Walter Haut, he went to both radio stations and both newspapers and then AP picked it up and it was headlined the afternoon of July 8, and most of the newspapers west of Chicago saying that we have a captured flying saucer in our possession. The next morning after Gen. Ramey had covered it up and said it was nothing more than a weather balloon, east coast papers, east of Chicago, had nothing but Gen. Ramey's story, so the cover-up didn't take more than 12 or 14 hours to do. Ken: Is it true that a telex was sent to the FBI by a major from the 8th Air Force and if so how did it describe what was found? Dennis: While there was a teletype operator in Albuquerque, I don't have her name offhand, she was putting out the report and the teletype machine had a bell on it, to signal the incoming messages there and there was an FBI message saying cease transmission immediately. She didn't send that out, that was picked up by other news media agencies. The same thing that happened with the radio station over there. The owner of the radio station KGFL, had gone to the ranch, got the rancher, brought him into town, put him up at his house to hide him and made a wire recording of the ranchers statement. For your younger audience a wire recording precedes CDs and eight tracks and cassette tapes and all that. Reel to reel tapes came after that. It was actual wire that they used to record poor quality recordings. He was contacted by the communications commission and told that if you broadcast that interview, you have 24 hours to look for a new job, because you will no longer be in the radio business. These were the type of threats that people involved with Roswell encountered. Ken: Many different researchers including William Moore and Kevin Randle are said to have come to the conclusion, after many interviews, that there were aliens recovered at the Roswell crash site and some of them were alive. Do you believe this to be true and if so, what do you think that we have learned from them if anything? Dennis: I have doubts as to whether they were alive. There are rumors that one was alive for sure. For a short time and that has never been confirmed. The number of ETs is also in question, anywhere from 3 to 5. the size is pretty much in agreement by everybody, 3 ½ to 4 feet tall. Large head, large angular eyes, long arms, thin arms, four or five fingers, long fingers, child looking. What have we learned? Lieut. Philip Corso wrote a book,”the Day after Roswell”. I met him on three different occasions and liked him as a person, but in the book he has absolutely no references. That bothers me because this type of research you cannot do without having validation and confirmation of the information you were putting out. He claimed that fiber optics and microchips and night vision and things like that all came from back engineering the Roswell crash. Microchips we know were invented by Texas Instrument and the guy that did it got the Nobel Prize for it. I don't know, when you look at the stealth F-117 and the new stealth bomber from certain angles particularly at nighttime, they would look like a UFO. Is that technology from ETs? I can't tell you that, but I can't rule it out either. I think that the United States would be back engineering anything that they have. But let me jump ahead a little bit with my theory on Roswell. I believe that what ever was recovered from 1947, to this day, they still don't know what they have, how it operates, where it came from, propulsion system, guidance system, things like that. Until our military gets the technological advantage out of that information, I don't believe that the government or military will admit that it ever happened or that they know anything about it. Ken: That could be true and as far as stealth planes and different things that we have now, I think that we owe most of this beginning technology to Kelly Johnson, I don't know if you know who he is? Dennis: Oh Yeah. Ken: He was the former chief engineer at the Lockheed Skunk Works. Dennis: He developed the U-2 and later the SR-71. Ken: That's right. Dennis: Part of my research is area 51 and Johnson is very heavily involved in that.
Interview With Author Who States UFOs Are From United States Ken: Oh absolutely. Dennis: Yeah I have. Stanton Friedman puts a lot of confidence in that claim of the San Augustin crash, the one at Socorro that you are talking about. The thing that he thinks is that there was a midair collision and that the two went down, one on the planes of San Augustin and the other on the Corona debris site, where the rancher was. I have nothing to confirm that Barney was there, or another guy who was a young kid at the time, I can't recall his name, but I have seen him on television and I have met him. He has detail about that incident that is unbelievable for a kid who was five, six, or seven years old at the time. I just have problems with those type of accounts. Ken: I understand. |
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