People |
Interview With Dr. Bruce Maccabee December 2, 2008
Part II Of III
[Goto Part I] [Goto Part III]
Audio Will Be On Part III
Ken: They say that the black triangular craft is huge, you know, at least that is what I heard. Dr. Maccabee: Right but the observations of this black triangular craft, for example the one that impresses me is where the air traffic controller is on the Taconic River Parkway in 1984 or 1985, I don't remember exactly when it was. They had the sighting of an object traveling southward over the Taconic River Parkway, north of New York City. That is part of the flap around Brewster, New York back in the 80s. Anyway there was one night, I forget when it was, it is in a book called Night Siege by Hynek and Imbragno. Taconic River Parkway is a four lane highway running north from New York City to a place called Brewster, New York, through Bedford New York and so on, the bedroom communities of New York City. The Taconic River Parkway runs roughly parallel to the Hudson River. Anyway there was one night where there was this object flying southward over the Taconic River Parkway seen by thousands of people as they drove by, I guess. One guy got out of his car, he was an air traffic controller I was told, he got out of his car, stood next to his car and saw this thing go overhead. He couldn't hear any sound, nothing more than a slight humming noise maybe. He said that he could see structure, like bolts and rivets and stuff like that. He couldn't hear anything. He didn't think that it was very high up, it was huge. I think that is the same night that it went over the Indian River power plant. The point is that there was hardly any noise. Now any propulsion system that we use for aircraft makes use of explosions. I think that is correct. Either you have a continuous explosion such as goes on in a turbine or you have pulse explosions go on in a propeller driven aircraft. Therefore they make noise, like this thing that flew over the Taconic River Parkway was "Explained" by the skeptics as being a group of ultra light aircraft that were flying wing to wing at night. If you believe that, you probably believe that you can collect part of the Brooklyn Bridge still or whatever is left. Ken: Well it just so happens that a very good friend of mine was there and saw it. Dr. Maccabee: Oh is that so? Ken: Yes. He was telling me about it. What had happened was that there were people pulled over on the Taconic State Parkway. He was wondering what was going on, so he pulled over and he saw it, it was overhead. Dr. Maccabee: That means that you probably know more about it than I do then. Ken: I don't know that much, but what I had heard, to get back to that black aircraft was that it had two propulsion systems and that one of them was electric. It was able to go extremely slow and silently. When they switched on the pulse jet it just shot away. Dr. Maccabee: So far as I know this is speculation. I don't know what electric propulsion would work. You still have to support this thing somehow or other. If it were a blimp type of support, if it were a gas bag support then you wouldn't expect it to go very fast because it would be a very large volume item carrying whatever weight was necessary to drive it. The closest you could get to an electrical support system would be a large version of the so called lifters that have been popular for the last ten or fifteen years. You have high voltage connected to a "craft", something very light weight and you are using ion propulsion. You are ionizing the atmosphere causing the atmosphere to blow away from you. It is a kind of action reaction propulsion but its..... Ken: Yeah its still in the very early stages. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah but you can read about it on the internet. Ken: Do you ever collaborate with other UFO investigators on interesting sightings and if so can you tell us about one?
Glowing Orange UFO Dr. Maccabee: Well yeah sure. Really often people contact me and want me to do something like look at some photos or something. That's happened most often in recent years and in previous case investigations I had to get help from local MUFON investigators. I remember one case, it turned out to be solvable, but it was like 15 years ago. It was where some people got a video of a craft over New York City and they were absolutely astounded that they were seeing this thing and they got good video of it. You could hear them in the background, the lady was talking about all the money they were going to make on the video and the guy was very skeptical about it. The guy that was actually taking the video was saying how could this be actually happening and wasn't worried about people seeing it. Well based on the descriptions of the witnesses and their video there was no doubt that they were seeing something and the video showed it. The question was, what was it? I had to request help from a guy, I forget his name now, in New York City to go and talk to the witnesses and look out the window where they were video taping and so on. Gradually it became apparent that what they were looking at with their video camera was a lighted blimp. They were looking over Shea Stadium. There had been an advertising blimp there at the time. It was just far enough away so they couldn't see it to identify it. When you used the camera and zoomed in you could see some kind of an odd light structure, it didn't look.... Well vaguely like a blimp I guess you could say. The light structure turned out to be 103 feet long. Once I knew from the guy who was working there, he was able to get me a map so that I could measure the distance between the place they were video taping from and the Shea Stadium, we knew it was a blimp. We knew the characteristics of the blimp, the length of it, the width and all that sort of stuff. I took the image from the video and had him calibrate their video camera by taking a yard stick out to 30 feet or something like that and getting the angle calibration for the video camera. I projected that angle from their window over to the Shea Stadium, calculated what the size of the object would have to be to make that image, an image as big as it was on the screen and sure enough it came out about 105 feet. Things are always fuzzy, they never are perfectly accurate. It definitely was very close to what the actual length of the blimp was. The blimp was going back and forth and in the video you see this object going back and forth you know. That was a situation where it would have been difficult to figure out what was going on without the help of a local investigator. That was about 10 years ago I think, at a time when there was a rash of blimp sightings as a matter of fact. There was one in Florida and a video of China on the Internet, I am sure by the way the object moved and the shape, that it was actually a distant blimp in China. There was a company called the Virgin Lightship Corporation and they were very proud of the fact that their internally lighted blimps were attracting so much attention and being misidentified as UFOs. Ken: Many skeptics think that UFOs don't exist at all or can be explained. In a recently released UFO document from the UK it was found that a US pilot based in the UK was sent up with orders to shoot down a UFO. He is still alive today and lives in Florida. He has stated that when he saw the UFO it was about a mile in diameter and it vanished before he could shoot. If the US Air Force doesn't believe in UFOs, why do you think they would send up a plane to shoot one down and what do you think the pilot saw? Dr. Maccabee: Well as I recall the story he didn't see anything with his eyes, it was on radar, a large radar target. I might be wrong on that, but it is my recollection from his testimony. It disappeared before he got to where this thing was, or where he would have been able to see it. There is a question, if the Air Force thought that he was going after a true UFO, that is something from OUT THERE, why would they send him up to shoot it down? We know that in 1952 there were orders to shoot down any flying saucers that didn't land. You try and force the saucer to land and if it doesn't land, you try and shoot it down. There is testimony from a man we call Hawk at my website, which by the way is http://www.brumac.8k.com. Look for the article entitled about Hawk, Hawk tales [http://www.brumac.8k.com/HAWKTALES/]. In his testimony in 1958 he was a weather officer on duty in Japan and he was with radar, the air traffic control center for the Air Force. The 5th Air Force or whatever it was in Japan. He was there at the time when they sent up a plane to shoot at a flying saucer that was hovering and the plane got swallowed up by the flying saucer or something happened to it, it disappeared anyway. The point is that they were ordered to try and shoot it down. Somebody inside there must think that these things are real. I don't know why they would try messing with them at all? Ken: That is a very good question. Dr. Maccabee: Flying saucers have demonstrated superior technology. It would seem to me that we would observe and split real fast. Ken: Well not only that, even it was only seen on radar, when you see something that is a mile in diameter you know right away that its nothing from anybody that's from this planet. Dr. Maccabee: Well that's true. That is similar to what's his name, Boyers, Boyer, the pilot of an aircraft in spring 2007? Ken: Over the Channel Islands? Dr. Maccabee: Over the Channel Islands. He was talking about a huge, orange colored was it? Ken: Yeah. Two pilots saw that one. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah. That was not a situation where somebody was ordered to fire on the thing. Ken: Right. Dr. Maccabee: He could tell from the size of this object and so on that it was nothing normal. I met him, he was at the conference a year ago. It was the Coalition For Freedom Of Information, one that I had mentioned earlier. It had a whole bunch of pilots and this was almost ignored by the press. There has been a lot of attempts, not just by the Disclosure Projects, but a lot of attempts by organizations, including the fund for UFO research. The Fund For UFO Research held a press conference. Actually it was in 1987 we had a special briefing for Congress and we were in one of the buildings, I forget which one it was, on Capital Hill. A number of Congressional aids showed up, no actual Congressmen showed up as far as I know, but a bunch of Congressional aids showed up to listen to us talk about sightings, the Roswell case and so on. There have been a lot of attempts to get the Congress interested in doing something. There were press conferences over the years as I remember. I remember the press conferences back in the late 70s when the documents from the CIA were released and these referred to cases that were in the CIA file, but also discussed the files from the FBI that had been released back in 1977 and other documents from the Air Force at press conferences and you get a little story. When I did the investigation for the New Zealand sightings on December 31st, 1978, I actually went to New Zealand and talked to the witnesses and analyzed the color movie film that was there. listened to their tapes and put together a whole history of the sighting and then in March of 1979 we held a press conference in New York City and basically said at the press conference that there was something that was unusual and had been flying around the New Zealand area and we had color movie film of it. Shouldn't people be interested? Ken: Yeah. Dr. Maccabee: One reporter, there were questions from the reporters after we gave our initial briefing of course and one guy said couldn't this be some American secret aircraft, that was basically what he was saying. I had already talked about how we ruled out all types of aircraft and the New Zealand government had ruled out all types of aircraft and so on. I said something like, that's a stupid question. Comment: Ken: He must have loved that. Gee I better be careful what I ask you. Comment:
UFO Dr. Maccabee: It was a stupid question. The people who put on the press conference was a tv station in Australia that had supported this investigation. One of the people who were running the thing told me afterwards that they cringed when they heard me tell a reporter that he asked a stupid question. They agreed that it was a stupid question, but they said you just don't do that, reporters might get mad and leave and then you don't have any story. Ken: You know what the problem is with all the UFO organizations, they don't have any lobbyists. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah right. Steve Bassett is the closest I guess to being a lobbyist for the UFO cause nowadays. Ken: Dr. Maccabee: Well I think that is another situation where some craft from other intelligence wants to attract a little bit of attention without being around long enough to absolutely prove its existence. Some of the guys from the base saw lights out in the woods and thought that an aircraft had landed and figured that they had better go out an check. This guy Penniston and a few others, a couple of others, I forget their names now, but Penniston and Halt I have met directly. Ken: Oh have you? Dr. Maccabee: They were at the press conference the Coalition For Freedom Of Information, CFI which by the way you can find on the Internet. At the CFI conference last year both Halt and Penniston were both there and Penniston talked about walking up to this machine and actually touching it. Now that takes some guts. Ken: Yeah I would say so. Dr. Maccabee: Either that or total naivety, or he didn't know anything about UFOs, so I don't know what he thought that he was looking at but..... Ken: Lucky it wasn't radioactive. Dr. Maccabee: Or electrical. He could have been short circuiting the object to ground. Ken: Yeah right. Dr. Maccabee: It could have been the positive terminal of a big battery for all he knew. Ken: That's right. Dr. Maccabee: Anyway, he maybe saw markings on it, made drawings and he had his little notebook with him when he was at the conference a year ago. That was the little notebook that he had carried with him that showed the symbols and stuff, his various notes and the holes made by the object that they found as if it was some weight on the ground. Rendlesham is definitely an interesting case, what they had I don't know, other than just proving that they exist. Ken: I think that it is one of the hardest cases there is to explain. Dr. Maccabee: Um Hum, it's got a multiple witness situation. Its got the Charles Halt audio tape made at the time. You know it had been explained at the time as a "Navigation Beacon" the Orfedness beacon or something like that I forget the name. Ken: Yeah, you are talking about the lighthouse. Dr. Maccabee: The lighthouse about five miles away or some miles away. Ken: Yeah well that was disproven because what happened was that they found that they thought that they were in the spot where they saw the object, but they weren't, because later on one of them pointed out that he had been going to a different spot. I don't know if you are aware of that or not? Dr. Maccabee: I have heard about that situation, but of course only the true believing skeptics that believe that there was nothing going on could have accepted that all these people had misidentified... Ken: A lighthouse.
UFO and Plane Dr. Maccabee: A beacon, a lighthouse several miles away that would give you a pulse of light every what ever it was. Ken: That is so true. It was a park ranger, a British park ranger that said that and he apologized later on. When he saw that it was in a different place, he realized that you couldn't see the light from there. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah right. Ken: Some people have reported being abducted over and over by aliens and even have reported objects implanted under their skin. Dr. Lear in California has removed many of these objects and has found that they seem to give off radio signals when in the body. He told me that once removed they go dead and therefore seem to draw power directly from our body's electrical systems. Do you believe that this is possible and that some people are tagged so their movements can be checked? Dr. Maccabee: Well let's put it like this, I don't think it is impossible. Certainly we have had abduction stories of various types starting with A V. Boas who became a lawyer in later years, A. V. Boas who became a lawyer in Brazil. It was in 1958 I think and the next big one was Betty and Barney Hill in 1961 and then other stories of people. There is even in the FBI file the story of a guy who called up the FBI at 4:30 in the morning to report what would be called nowadays an abduction. He didn't call it that at the time because he didn't know what it was. Anyway the point is that I believe that abductions are going on. Things are happening and people are being examined. The next step to put a tag in somebody, something like we now put under the skin of animals that can be read by an ultra magnetic sensor device, a so called radio frequency identification tag or something. Something like that could certainly be done by a higher technology, they could do it even better. To be able to run off our own electrical systems that's a no brainier. You have electrical charges and you could set up a battery inside your own body if you wanted to provide power. The possibility of them using something that uses power from the body to send out a signal I think could be done. We probably can not do that now, but it is something that will probably be done with something like nano technology in the near future. Ken: Yeah, we are talking about using it for pacemakers. Dr. Maccabee: Whether the aliens are actually doing it or not is a matter for speculation. Ken: That's right. Dr. Maccabee: Roger's discoveries, I didn't know that he had said that these things could pick up radio signals. I am not sure what he is claiming? It sends out a radio signal you can detect, I am not sure? Ken: Are we talking about Dr. Leir? Dr. Maccabee: Yeah. Ken: He said that they do send out radio signals and what he did was when he first discovered them he found that they were magnetic and if you used a powerful magnet you could see them pulling against the person's skin when you put the magnet over it. Dr. Maccabee: I have seen that when I was at the big Roswell party, not last year but the year before. Oh yeah it was the 50th anniversary, 2007. There was a man there who's name escapes me at the time, but he was being video taped by a couple of people to do a documentary. He claimed that he had this lump under his skin, had had it for a long time and it was attracted to a magnet. We got a strong magnet and put it next to his finger and sure enough you could see something move and actually pull outward as if it was trying to get out through his skin. Ken: Right. Dr. Maccabee: It was bizarre because obviously skin doesn't do that. Ken: What is even more bizarre is that when Dr. Leir tried to get these things out, they would move away from his scalpel. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah, he said that too. Ken: I mean it's kind of creepy. In 1993 the UK experienced several UFO sightings that involved hundreds of witnesses. UFOs flew over several military bases. They were seen on the radar and were reported by witnesses to be about 200 meters in diameter. Interceptors were sent up, but could not get near the UFOs. Do you have an opinion on this, do you think that maybe the UFO were concentrating on the nuclear facilities on these bases?
UFO Seen In Brazil Dr. Maccabee: You are saying that this is when now? Ken: This is in 1993. Dr. Maccabee: Well I don't recall specific details of that particular flap. Could they be doing reconnaissance on nuclear bases? That is another question because it is not just illustrated in Britain, or what your talking about, but people have speculated in 1947 that the onslaught of the flying saucers was the result of the bombs going off in 1945 and so on. There certainly have been sightings over the Hanford plant in the state of Washington, where they do refining of nuclear materials Ken: They had one of the early reactors. Dr. Maccabee: Back in the late 40s and early 50s the Air Force was really worried about sightings of so called green fire balls near so called sensitive installations which I call vital installations, which was the code word for nuclear research locations like Las Alamos and so on. The Taconic River Parkway stuff, that your friend talked to you about, associated with those sightings was the object hovering over the Indian River power plant. The guards around the power plant were allowed to talk about it for about a day or two, then they were told to shut up. There is information there that is being kept confidential that we don't know about, but one of them had testified that one guy had seen this thing outside hovering over the plant. He called up one of the guards on the inside who is controlling the surveillance cameras. The guy controlling the surveillance cameras said he turned his surveillance camera so he could see. He had it pointed one way so he could see the left edge of the object and then he started turning the camera so he could see the other edge of the object and he turned and he turned and he turned. Finally just before he reaches the maximum turn he finally gets the other edge of the object. It was almost 180 degrees away. Ken: Boy that is some big object. Dr. Maccabee: Yeah, it was bigger than the plant itself. Also it was hovering so low that he could barely see the two edges. The point is that they have been associated with nuclear installations over the years and there certainly have been associations with missile launch locations. Most of the missile launch locations have nuclear aspects to them, because they are going to launch nuclear missiles. There is definitely a connection there. End of Part II |
 |
 |
 |
This entire site with all contents, except where stated otherwise, is Copyright © 2007 by About Facts Net and its licensors. All rights reserved. |